See also

Family of Charles William Payne and Alice Annie Allured

Husband: Charles William Payne

  • Name:

  • Charles William Payne2,3

  • Sex:

  • Male

  • Father:

  • Charles Wesley Payne (1854-1942)

  • Mother:

  • Jessie Crosby (1859?- )

  • Occupation:

  •  

  • carpenter then a nurseryman4,5,6

  • Birth:

  • 16 Oct 1879

  • Bardwell, Suffolk, England2,4,5,6,7,8

  • Census:

  • 3 Apr 1881 (age 1)

  • Quaker Lane, Bardwell, Suffolk, England7

  •  

  • a grandson living with his grandparents Samuell (sic) and Mary Hurrald, and uncle Arthur Hurrald. Born in Bardwell Suffolk

  • Census:

  • 5 Apr 1891 (age 10)

  • 6 Spring Road, Bardwell, Suffolk, England8

  •  

  • grandson attending school and living in four rooms with his grandparents Samuel and Mary Hurrell. Born in Bardwell Suffolk

  • Census:

  • 31 Mar 1901 (age 20)

  • 3 Stockwell Lane, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England4

  •  

  • unmarried nephew working as a carpenter and living with his uncle Alfred, aunt Cecilia, and cousins Arthur and Alice. Born in Bardwell Suffolk

  • Census:

  • 2 Apr 1911 (age 31)

  • 2 Winchester Villa, Cromwell Avenue, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England5

  •  

  • married head of the household working as a carpenter and living in five rooms with his wife Alice, and sons Stanley and Charles. Born in Bardwell Suffolk

  • Census:

  • 29 Sep 1939 (age 59)

  • Bardwell House, 92 Great Cambridge Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England6

  •  

  • a married nurseryman food production (on own account) living with his wife Alice, ac losed record (presumably son John), and relative of his wife Ellen Allured. Born on 16th October 1879

  • Death:

  • 26 Feb 1953 (age 73)

  • Ware "Registration District", Hertfordshire, England3,9

  • Probate:

  • 24 Jun 1953

  • Probate Registry, London, England9

  •  

  • of 92 Cambridge Arterial Road Cheshunt Hertfordshire died 26th February 1953, probate of effects of £13,470 0s 9d (~£361,000 in 2017) to the Midland Bank Executor and Trustee Company limited and Stanley Archibald Payne nurseryman

Wife: Alice Annie Allured

  • Name:

  • Alice Annie Allured1

  • Sex:

  • Female

  • Father:

  • -

  • Mother:

  • -

  • Birth:

  • 24 Apr 1883

  • Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England5,6,10,11

  •  

  • 1891 census says born in Battersea Surrey, 1901 says born in Waltham Cross Hertfordshire

  • Census:

  • 5 Apr 1891 (age 7)

  • Park Lane, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England10

  •  

  • granddaughter attending school and living with her grandparents Walter and Elizabeth Allured, uncle George and aunt Ellen. Born in Battersea Surrey

  • Census:

  • 31 Mar 1901 (age 17)

  • Rose Cottage, Park Lane, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England11

  •  

  • unmarried daughter living with her widowed father Walter, and sister Nelly. Born in Waltham Cross Hertfordshire

  • Census:

  • 2 Apr 1911 (age 28)

  • 2 Winchester Villa, Cromwell Avenue, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England5

  •  

  • married wife living in five rooms with her husband Charles, and sons Stanley and Charles. Born in Cheshunt Hertfordshire and married for four years with two children, both of whom are still living

  • Census:

  • 29 Sep 1939 (age 56)

  • Bardwell House, 92 Great Cambridge Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England6

  •  

  • a married unpaid domestic living with hher husband Charles, a closed record (presumably son John), and relative of hers Ellen Allured. Born on 24th April 1883

  • Death:

  • 28 Dec 1958 (age 75)

  • Ware "Registration District", Hertfordshire, England12,13

  • Probate:

  • 17 Mar 1959

  • Probate Registry, London, England13

  •  

  • a widow of Bardwell House 92 Great Cambridge Road Cheshunt Hertfordshire died 28th December 1958, probate of effects of £3,368 10s 2d (~£73,000 in 2017) to the Midland Bank Executor and Trustee Company Limited

Child 1: Archibald Stanley Payne

  • Name:

  • Archibald Stanley Payne14,15

  • Sex:

  • Male

  • Spouse:

  • Aileen Blanche Moran (1911-1994)

  • Occupation:

  •  

  • market gardener16

  • Birth:

  • 24 Apr 1908

  • Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England5,14,15,16

  • Baptism:

  • 7 Jun 1908 (age 0)

  • St. Mary the Virgin Church, Church Gate, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England15

  •  

  • son of Charles Payne (carpenter) and Alice of College Road, born on 7th December 1909

  • Census:

  • 2 Apr 1911 (age 2)

  • 2 Winchester Villa, Cromwell Avenue, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England5

  •  

  • son as Stanley living in five rooms with his parents Charles and Alice, and brother Charles. Born in Cheshunt Hertfordshire

  • Census:

  • 29 Sep 1939 (age 31)

  • Thurlestone, North Street, Lower Nazing, Essex, England16

  •  

  • a married market gardener (tomato) as Stanley Archibald living with his wife Aileen, daughter Jennifer, and a Jane Cook. Born on 24th April 1908

  • Administrator:

  • 24 Jun 1953 (age 45)

  •  

     

    Archibald Stanley Payne was appointed as administrator at the probate hearing of Charles William Payne on Wednesday on 24 June 1953 at the Probate Registry, London, England

  • Death:

  • 27 Oct 1965 (age 57)

  • Epping "Registration District", Essex, England17,18

  • Probate:

  • 24 Feb 1967

  • Probate Registry, London, England18

  •  

  • of 61 North Street Nazeing Essex died 27th October 1965, probate (limited) of £42,176 (~£683,000 in 2017) to Aileen Blanche Payne widow, Alfred Herbert Hayes certified accountant and Robert Charles Payne nurseryman

Child 2: Charles Walter Payne

  • Name:

  • Charles Walter Payne19,20,21

  • Sex:

  • Male

  • Occupation:

  •  

  • nurseryman22

  • Birth:

  • 7 Dec 1909

  • Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England5,19,20,21,22

  • Baptism:

  • 6 Mar 1910 (age 0)

  • St. Mary the Virgin Church, Church Gate, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England20

  •  

  • son of Charles Payne (carpenter) and Alice of College Road, born on 7th December 1909

  • Census:

  • 2 Apr 1911 (age 1)

  • 2 Winchester Villa, Cromwell Avenue, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England5

  •  

  • son living in five rooms with his parents Charles and Alice, and brother Stanley. Born in Cheshunt Hertfordshire

  • Census:

  • 29 Sep 1939 (age 29)

  • Baydale Beck Inn, Coniscliffe Road, Low Coniscliffe, County Durham, England22

  •  

  • a married nurseryman (food production) living with Charles and May Thompson and a Reginald Halifax. Born on 7th December 1909

  • Death:

  • Jul 1991 (age 81)

  • Cambridge "Registration District", Cambridgeshire, England21

Child 3: Daphne Mona Payne

  • Name:

  • Daphne Mona Payne23

  • Sex:

  • Female

  • Spouse:

  • James Richard Webster (1911-1981)

  • Occupation:

  •  

  • hair dresser24

  • Birth:

  • 8 Jun 1911

  • Edmonton "Registration District", Middlesex, England23,24

  • Census:

  • 29 Sep 1939 (age 28)

  • Springfield, Crossbrook Street, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England24

  •  

  • a married hairdresser living with her husband James, two closed records, sister-in-law Victoria Queenie Webster, and brother-in-law Clarence Fishpool, sister Phyllis and a closed record. Born on 8th June 1911

  • Death:

  • 9 Apr 2007 (age 95)

  • Colchester "Registration District", Essex, England25,26

  • Probate:

  • 14 Sep 2007

  • Probate Registry, Winchester, Hampshire, England26

  •  

  • grant and will, died 9th April 2007

Child 4: Olive Phyllis Payne

  • Name:

  • Olive Phyllis Payne27,28

  • Sex:

  • Female

  • Spouse:

  • Clarence Ernest Fishpool (1906-1990)

  • Birth:

  • 10 Jan 1913

  • Edmonton "Registration District", Middlesex, England27,29

  • Census:

  • 29 Sep 1939 (age 26)

  • Springfield, Crossbrook Street, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England24

  •  

  • married as Phyllis doing unpaid domestic duties and living with her husband Clarence, and a closed record, in the home of her brother-in-law James Webster, sister Daphne, two closed records ,and Victoria Queenie Webster. Born on 10th January 1913

  • Death:

  • 3 Jun 1992 (age 79)

  • Hatfield "Registration District", Hertfordshire, England29,30

  • Probate:

  • 28 Sep 1992

  • Probate Registry, Arcade Street, Ipswich, Suffolk, England30

  •  

  • of New Park House Hanyards Lane Cuffley Hertfordshire died 3rd June 1992, probate of £317,023 (~£616,000 in 2017)

Child 5: Patricia Payne

  • Name:

  • Patricia Payne31

  • Sex:

  • Female

  • Spouse:

  • Ralph Hamilton Morgan (1910-2001)

  • Birth:

  • 12 Jul 1915

  • Edmonton "Registration District", Middlesex, England31,32,33

  • Census:

  • 29 Sep 1939 (age 24)

  • Cuffley Hill, Goffs Oak, Hertfordshire, England32

  •  

  • a married unpaid domestic living with her husband Ralph. Born on 12th July 1915

  • Death:

  • Aug 1986 (age 71)

  • Colchester "Registration District", Essex, England33

Child 6: John Ivor Payne

  • Name:

  • John Ivor Payne34,35

  • Sex:

  • Male

  • Spouse:

  • Dorothy May Green (1929- )

  • Birth:

  • Q1 1928

  • Edmonton "Registration District", Middlesex, England34

  • Death:

  • Q1 2014 (age 85-86)

  • Essex "Registration District", Essex, England35

Note on Wife: Alice Annie Allured

Cannot locate a birth record for Alice, was she illegitimate?

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